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physics spacetime other stack other

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sheets of paper in the stack have a

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slightly different physics because their

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phases are different but subtle energies

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is what allows us to interact between

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these different systems so I'll skip

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over the details of all that but the

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model does the model does provide a way

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a very natural way to explain how it is

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that we can have psychic interaction

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remote viewing interaction effect things

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at a distance where there's no weakening

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because it's a holographic interaction

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in four dimensions so we're able to

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couple with other objects that are very

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very far away from us which you need to

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be able to have something like this to

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explain the Princeton data it also

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involves this model in the same way

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explains how teleportation can occur

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even all across great distances because

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any object really is held in place by

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its pattern of vibration on the distant

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matter in the past and future so that's

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going to the secret of the model so Bob

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Monroe was right we're more than our

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physical bodies through prayer

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meditation and visualization we can

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create the world we want and as Victor

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Hugo said all the armies of the world

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are not as powerful as an idea whose

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thank you very much right here has there

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been any frequencies or a range of

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frequencies in the spectrum identified

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think a lot a lot of times I mean there

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are I don't know that that's probably my

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real answer that don't know if you want

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to say some kind of mapping between a

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paranormal phenomenon and a frequency I

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don't know when when people are

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beginning to undergo an out-of-body

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experience for example when the astral

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body is starting to detach from the

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physical they often get a vibration the

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off and get a buzzing and AB Dictys

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report something similar so there

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probably is some kind of frequency

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interaction but I don't know that

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there's a specific frequency it may be

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that you know I don't know beyond that

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yes have you done any work with time

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travel such as what's been reported at

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DOM and her and Italy what is going on

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now that the Russians have developed a

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model back in the 50s it began it's

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called torsion if you look on the web

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you can find allusions to the stuff

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cause renuka la caza rev was the creator

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of it and in the original book psychic

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discoveries behind the Iron Curtain by

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Australian schroeder they have a little

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chapter about him at that time that

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appears to have be in the beginnings of

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a whole technology of how to control

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time there are people in Russia today

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that have little generators that

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manipulate and create this energy and

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they claim that can slow down or speed

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up time by a small amount inside a box

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so it looks as though there might be a

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technology emerging for how to affect

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the stuff the bigger question is in

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terms of time loops if you could really

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make big time jumps you know go back in

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time affect the timeline they were on

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shift over to some parallel system this

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is one area that we're seeing now in

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healing there's a man amateur Bartlett

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who's been doing some amazing healing

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where it looks as though maybe he's of

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jumping timelines I mean something that

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our physics is like totally for boating

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but if that's what's happening we may be

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entering a you know a new paradigm here

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so I don't know the where this is all

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going to fall out but there's some

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possibilities that are kind of appearing

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in terms of maybe the timeline is more

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flexible than we thought we have a

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question in the back uh I just like to

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comment about my distress at seeing how

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frequently you use the term paranormal

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in your discussion of these phenomena

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whatever psychic functioning is it it is

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a normal part of the human capabilities

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and we we ought not to use language that

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buys into that the grants half of the

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debate hostile critics in advance well

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if you have a better word if you have a

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better word i'll be happy to consider it

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but if you say normal most people will

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not understand what you mean if you say

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the levitation is normal most people

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would not buy into that so using

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consciousness in this meeting yeah we

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can we can find other words but

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paranormal is a descriptive word I would

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like to see the stigma taken away from

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it here's another question in the same

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vein I wondering if you could define

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your use of the word subtle energy

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because that seems to be an important

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component of your model right bill

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teller has written several books about

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subtle energy and is one of the people I

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would point to in terms of defining or

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popularizing what it is the it appears

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there's a flexibility that occurs as

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they say he describes it as a freedom of

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gauge where there's a missing degree of

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freedom it's not in our current physics

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and he tries to characterize it bye-bye

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subtle energy the the Russians talk

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about it in terms of what they call

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torsion which is a twisting of space and

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it's actually a mediated by spin-spin

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interactions of particles so it is an

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effect that you can actually connect

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back to conventional physics what makes

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it different from what current physics

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would predict is in our current

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Einsteinian model of physics there is no

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torsion allowed in general activity if

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you put it in in the way that the

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Russians do then spin-spin interactions

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start to have a much more powerful

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effect so that's the quantitative model

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that I would appeal to and sorts where

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subtle energy is going to come out one

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last question here Claude I wonder if

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you could speculate a bit about the

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possible common role of vacuum phenomena

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such as the reorganization of vacuum

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fluctuations in so-called paranormal

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phenomena and new UFO phenomena well

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vacuum reorganization or false vacuums

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different vacuum states that are not so

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did the normal plain vanilla vacuum that

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I grew up knowing and loving i think is

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another way of saying that's what cell

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energy is it's a it's adding a degree of

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freedom to the physics so that what we

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see with with the DNA laser experiments

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for example is that we can modify this

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condition of the vacuum and get

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anomalous effects that appear to be

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subtle energy effects so again it's

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suggesting that subtle energy can be

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looked at as these other modified vacuum

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states Thank You bud we're about to